Roll to Advance

Over the past month or so I’ve alluded to a new alternative character experience and advancement system we’re trying out. Over the course of this week, I’m going to run a series of posts describing and explaining it as it stands right now. I will gladly welcome feedback on how to improve the system, as it is still very much a work in progress. It is designed to work with our homebrew version of Labyrinth Lord but should work quite easily with any other old-school version of the game.

I’ll start by stating up front that some, and maybe most, are really going to hate this. It’s a pretty radical departure from the standard “accumulate experience points by defeating monsters and collecting treasure” system that forms the foundation of the level advancement system in D&D. It’s more radical than going back to the 100XP per hit die system of the first version of the original game. It’s more radical than awarding more than 1 XP per gold piece, which is the way we’ve played until recently to avoid needing piles of treasure to advance in level. It’s more radical than only awarding XP for gold which is spent. It’s more radical than awarding XP for “role playing” or “story goals” or “mission success.”

In fact, this system doesn’t award XP for any of those things. Kill lots of monsters or no monsters. Loot piles of gold or no gold. Rescue the princess or don’t. None of that affects a PC’s ability to go up in level.

Here, in a nutshell, is how the system works: At the end of each playing session, the player rolls a d20. If the modified roll exceeds a specified number based on the character’s class, race, and current level, the PC advances one level.

Told you you’d hate it.

Anyway, there are a number of reasons we’re going with this “Roll to Advance” system:

  1. No tracking of XP (in the standard way) is required
  2. The actual design of the scenario (amount of treasure, number of monsters) doesn’t affect the chance to advance
  3. Playing is the key element in playing, not the specific in-game results

Point #1, the tracking of XP, refers to the time and effort spent recording every monster, calculating XP values for homemade or specialized versions of monsters, adding up every last gold piece, arguing over the awards for items sold and income from businesses or established strongholds, and working out bonuses for high ability scores. None of that matters any more.

This system does use experience points, but the numbers are small. At the end of every session, each PC gets 1 (one) experience point. This XP is used as a modifier to the d20 roll to advance, where one XP equals a +1 to the roll. So a character who has accumulated 5 XP (by playing five sessions) has a +5 bonus to his roll. If he uses any of this bonus to level up, the XP he needed are subtracted from his total. Unused XP remain and will provide bonuses to future rolls to advance.

Example: A third level PC has a total of nine XP accumulated and needs a roll of 27 to advance to fourth level. At the end of a session of play, the PC is awarded another XP (bringing the total to 10) and rolls a 19. Eight XP were required to reach the needed roll of 27, so the PC now has 2 remaining XP and advances to fourth level.

No numbers in the tens and hundreds of thousands. No calculators needed.

Point #2, the contents of the session’s play, means that it doesn’t matter what sort of adventure you’re on. No matter what your PC does or doesn’t do, it’s their adventuring itself that is providing experience. Yes, this is terribly abstract. But it means that PCs won’t feel they need to attack anything they think they can beat in order to kill it and take its treasure so they can accumulate XP.

Also, game masters don’t have to worry about placing enough treasure without overdoing it and turning the PCs into millionaires with no real need for more gold. Miscalculation during adventure design will not throw character advancement all out of whack, and adventures from various sources designed to different standards won’t, either.

Example: I’ve currently got a few characters going through module B1: In Search of the Unknown. In two play sessions totaling around six or seven hours of play, they would have accumulated a grand total of about 400-450 XP by the book from combat and treasure. That would be split three ways for the first session and four ways for the second (when a fourth PC joined). At this rate they’d level around August or September.

The roll to advance system means that these PCs aren’t limited to snail’s-pace advancement due to low treasure levels, and it means that monty haul hoards won’t have PC’s at level 17 by the end of the month. Advancement is independent of in-game results, which brings me to

Point #3, which refers to awarding for play, not necessarily results. This is probably at the heart of the dislike most will have for the roll to advance system. Characters who do well will not have a better chance to advance in level than characters which do poorly. A third-level fighter who goes out, slays a dragon, and pockets the treasure will not have any better chance to reach fourth level than a third-level fighter who fights poorly, retreats from a band of kobolds, and loses his pack horse (and what little treasure he had found) down a river on the way back to town.

Though many will see this as a weakness, I don’t. At least not a glaring-enough weakness to torpedo the system. In fact, I think that in all but the most extreme cases, it’s a strength. Player’s characters are rewarded when the player plays. Period.

Now, some restrictions might be in order. For instance, I wouldn’t award an XP for quick half hour of play before dinner one evening. But an all-weekend marathon might be splint into several “sessions” with opportunities to advance.

Also, joining during a session might earn a PC either a roll to advance at the conclusion or an XP, but not both. Of course, this would depend on circumstances. A player who joined in thirty minutes into a four hour session would probably be treated as having been there for the whole thing. The key, in my mind, is that, simply by playing, you earn the chance to advance. Period.

By earning an XP for each session, players who keep missing their advancement rolls will steadily improve their chances. Those who roll well and advance more quickly will pull ahead, but as the advancement numbers increase at each level those who are behind will have plenty of chances to catch up.

The numbers are designed to reflect the various capabilities of each race and class, and the roll needed to advance increases as characters move up in level. Tomorrow’s post will look at the numbers needed at each level for each class.

Roll to Advance:
Pt. 1 – Intro and Basics
Pt. 2 – Classes
Pt. 3 – Races
Pt. 4 – Multi-Classed Characters
Pt. 5 – Wrap-up and Feedback

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16 Responses to Roll to Advance

  1. Timeshadows says:

    Not to further doom this concept’s acceptance, but I love it.
    –Oddly, I was thinking of something similar, but that is complicated by my Point Design system being keyed to OS Adventure Point totals, although this could easily be used to divide them by thousands.

    Excellent. 😀

  2. cyclopeatron says:

    This sounds like a very promising concept! I’d kind of like to try it out with my new group, actually. I’m looking forward to the rest of your posts!

  3. DuBeers says:

    You might wish to consider having a bonus XP and allow players to vote for whomever did the best role-playing that night. That also might foster more imaginative play among at your table.

    • Kilgore says:

      You know, I thought of something along those lines, sort of how the NHL calls out the Three Stars at the end of a game. It’s definitely something to keep in mind.

  4. Shayne Power says:

    My only problem with your suggestion here is that you are making us wait until the end of the week to see all of it.

    Very, very cool idea. And I can see myself using. Very soon.

    • Kilgore says:

      Shayne: I was split about how to present this. I could have just posted the whole thing at once, but I wanted to provide some in-depth commentary. To do everything at once and provide commentary would have been a HUGE post (or several posts on the same day, which I wasn’t excited to write all at once) that most would not have bothered to read. So I split it up.

      Today the actual numbers will be posted, and people can start throwing rocks.

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  6. Risus Monkey says:

    Risus “has a roll to advance” but I never thought to implement it in D&D. I look forward to your implementation.

    FYI, the Risus rule is as follows:

    “At the end of each adventure, each player should roll against every Cliché that was used significantly during the game (using their current number of dice). If the dice land showing only even numbers, this indicates an increase by one die for that Cliché. Thus, advancement slows down as you go. No Cliché may go higher than Cliché(6), although if Pumping is allowed (see below), they can be pumped past (6).

    Anytime you do something really, really, really spectacularly entertaining that wows the whole table, the GM may rule that you may roll instantly (in the middle of the game!) for possible improvement, in addition to the roll at the end of the adventure.”

    • Kilgore says:

      Riffing off of DuBeers’ comment, maybe there would be a place for a “spectacular advancement check” after a truly and stupendously awesome occurrence in the middle of a game.

      As in, in the middle of a battle against trolls, a character does something so incredible that he instantly gets an XP and a roll to advance. If it succeeds, the character levels up right then and there in the middle of the battle.

      Seems a bit over the top to me, and I’d fear that players would just start trying to accomplish these maneuvers instead of really playing (which is exactly a big part of what I like about the session-based nature of this system) in order to qualify. But something to think on a bit.

  7. There’s been a lot of playing around with random advancement lately. Geoffrey (of Carcosa fame) posted on Dragon’s Foot and elsewhere about a mechanic similar to yours, but without race, class and level adjustments, just a flat d20 + # of failed advancement rolls for this level, get a 20 or higher to advance.

    I played around with the idea, too, and even did some follow-ups,but haven’t actually tried it yet. It’s a controversial idea, at least outside of BRP.

    • Kilgore says:

      Wow. I do believe I had seen Geoffrey’s comment (or someone who mentioned it somewhere) at some point, but I had not seen your series of posts. Thanks for the heads up!

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